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Victor Cook, Jr., New Orleans, Louisiana

Jeff,

Your comments on scalability and the history of electronic trading at the CME are informative and relevant. The comparisons you and others associated with the CME have made involve its size and scalability relative to ICE, rather than BOT's size and the scalability of the ICE engines. Of course, this is because you believe "The two exchanges together can make a great economic powerhouse." I have no doubt this is true. Combined a CME/BOT would begin life with 84.5% of the revenues in a market growing at a same-quarter average annual rate of 38%.

The overarching question in my way of thinking remains: Will this great economic powerhouse necessarily lead to a more profitable, more highly valued enterprise? Compared with the lean, mean, maximum earnings trading machine the CME already is as a stand alone enterprise? I know this is an "academic" question, but I think that makes it no less important to the company.

Your closing comment on price discovery is very interesting: it's "... taking place away from NYC, and on futures and options screens." I wasn't fully aware of the impact electronic trading was having on futures markets. Your comment so peaked my curiosity as to send me searching the net for references. One that popped up was your March 22, 2000 review of Patrick Young's book on "Capital Market Revolution: The Future of Markets in an Online World." You conclude with this statement:

"I am on the Board of Directors at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange, so I speak from experience. The revolution has begun and we are trying to embrace it."

This led me to search for your name on Google: I discovered you're co-founder of the Hyde Park Angels, an MBA from the University of Chicago, a senior trader at the CME and contributor to CNBC Squawk Box, CNBC Power Lunch, CNBC Power Lunch Europe, CNBC Squawk Box Asia, Bloomberg on the Markets, CBS News, and CNN.

Imagine my surprise to discover these facts. From your comments on this post I suspected you were probably a full member on the CME. Either that or an experienced CME trader who had recently gone back to get an EMBA from the GSB! Thanks for making this thread more interesting and substantive.

I look forward to your comments on my next entry in this series. The working title: "Exchange Wars: Post-Merger Market Values?" In this article I plan to apply Competitive Stock Valuation in search of some answers to the question.

~V

Jeff

Professor, I am not sure if that data is public. I am almost certain that they keep internal stats on that sort of thing. When I was on the CME Board of directors, we used to know response time, down time etc. I think exchanges would classify that as proprietary knowledge. CME's GLOBEX response time is now faster than you can blink your eye. We had one time in the last six months that we were down for a short period of time.

I recalltrading busy markets in the late nineties on GLOBEX, and you visibly could see the screen slow, and even get out of focus and waver. I have not personally traded ICE products, but my friends that do tell me that their system has these types of problems frequently.

I have traded on the Eurex system, and the LIFFE system (Connect). They are not as robust as GLOBEX. Eurex has a great system for executing simple trades in one commodity month. LIFFE has a better system in my view, but their spread functionality is not as good as GLOBEX.

It is clear that CME has a scalable engine, because they recently put NYMEX products on it with no slow down or trade matching problems. 60% of CME employees are now technical computer jocks. It has become not only a trading company, but a technology company.

The CME clearinghouse is also very scalable. We added the CBOT some time ago without a hitch (2003?). NYMEX uses a similar platform to clear trades that the CME developed in the mid nineties. It was then called "Clearing 21". Each exchange continued to enhance the platform in different ways once they developed it. CME has never had a problem paying and collecting, and margining out of its clearinghouse regardless of the amount of money it moves or the volume of trade.

It is interesting today to follow the Amaranth testimony on ICE. Apparently ICE did not keep too good of tabs on the Amaranth trader, and it lead to disaster in the Heating oil market. Part of this is due to a CFTC loophole, but part of it must fall on the exchange involved.

To further clarify on CME interest. They accept deposits into the Clearing house in which they pay interest. Conversely, they receive interest on the funds when they deposit them on the CME's bank account.
This is done each and every day, not dissimilar from overnight repos done with the fed. CME netted around two million from these activities inthe past fiscal year. There is not a short term loan, or long term loan on the CME balance sheet. They are debt free. In notes to the financial statements, you will see a schedule explaining the borrowing and lending activity. All of it takes place within the clearing house.


We do need a volume weighted number to find out actual COGS, but I would assume that it is proprietary too! Can't give your competitors too much information about where the volume is coming from!

I hope the CBOT shareholders vote YES for the deal. The two exchanges together can make a great economic powerhouse.

I think that NYC is losing its stature not necessarily because of Sarbanes-Oxley, though it's a contributing factor. They are losing it because the price discovery of the market is taking place away from NYC, and on futures and options screens. The cash equity market is not growing.

Victor Cook, Jr., New Orleans, Louisiana

Jeff,

By my count of the CFTC major exchange trading records, BOT had 513.0 million open contracts in 2006 compared with 67.4 million for NYBOT. A major capacity expansion would be required if ICE wins the bidding. With current trading platform technology is this a serious challenge? On the issue of reliability, doesn't someone have downtime data on all the exchanges?

~V

Victor Cook, Jr., New Orleans, Louisiana

Jeff,

Thank you for your thoughtful reply to my last questions. As before, I've plugged quotes from your latest reply (IN CAPS) into the remaining areas concern so we both can see what differences remain. This does indeed clarify most of the issues raised in your original comments. Unfortunately, I don't own any CME shares. Or shares in any other companies mentioned on my blog.

YOU NEED TO LOOK AT ECONOMIC NUMBERS
Please tell me what economic numbers I should use in place of financial accounting data.

"IT IS BEST TO AT LEAST LOOK AT THE PROXY DOCUMENTS PUT FORWARD BY THE M+A GUYS TO LOOK AT THEIR NUMBERS TO TRY AND GET A HANDLE ON THE REAL NUMBERS."

We're getting closer. But I need to know more. Please share with me the answer to these two further questions:

1. What exactly do "their numbers" measure?

"THE ECONOMIC NUMBERS I AM TALKING ABOUT ARE THE CASH FLOWS PRESENTED IN THE MERGER DOCUMENTS. I HAVE A COPY OF THEM, BUT HAVE NO WAY OF TRANSPOSING THEM HERE. THEY DO NOT SHOW NUMBERS FOR ICE ... "

2. How can individual investor can get access these numbers?

"ONLY SHAREHOLDERS OF RECORD WERE MAILED THE MERGER DOCUMENTS. ... THEY CALCULATED TEN YEARS OF CASH FLOWS AND DISCOUNTED THEM, INCLUDING A TERMINAL VALUE."

Well, here's where I take issue with the investment bankers. How can they calculate, with any reasonable degree of confidence, ten years of cash flows for the merged CME/BOT without considering the impact ICE would have on the results? Recalling the limitation of my single period analysis, you can at least see that placing ICE in the picture would have a significant impact on the merged results of the CME/BOT combination.

YOUR COGS IS VERY FLAWED
Aren't most all of the "internal costs that it takes to trade a contract" are incurred whether or not a give trade is made?

You clarify your concern by saying "... NO ONE RATIONAL WOULD USE INTEREST RATE CHARGES TO IMPUTE COGS UNLESS THERE WAS AN ECONOMIC REASON TO LINK INTEREST TO COGS."

I wouldn't use interest rate charges impute GOGS unless I though there were an economic reason to do so.

But, you didn't answer my question. Can I assume it's correct to say that most all internal costs that it takes to trade a contract (e.g. people, occupancy) are incurred whether or not a given trade is made? To be clear, are the strictly variable costs of all trades made in a quarter far less than the fixed costs of the trading operation? By variable costs, I mean those that would NOT be incurred if a trade were not made.

"THE EXCHANGE BUSINESS IS A FIXED COST BUSINESS. THERE IS LITTLE VARIABILITY TO THEIR COSTS. EVEN IF NO ONE MAKES A TRADE THAT DAY, THEY INCUR THE SAME COSTS AS IF TEN MILLION TRADES WERE EXECUTED. THE FIXED COSTS ARE THE LABOR TO RUN THE COMPUTER SYSTEM, AND TRADING FLOOR. IT USED TO TAKE AROUND 30 MILLION A YEAR TO OPERATE A TRADING FLOOR."

Okay, this is no longer an issue. The only distance between us now is that I call these fixed costs Enterprise Marketing Expenses – because EMEs are the costs of anyone (or anything) that affect a company's performance in its competition for customers and capital. EMEs are listed in my original post along with the financial accounting numbers that measure their importance in each company.

In 2006 BOT spent $343.8 million on enterprise marketing expenses, or $0.43 per dollar of revenue. ICE spent $166.0 million, or $0.47 per dollar revenue. CME, by far the most efficient, spent $614.4 million, or just $0.35 per dollar revenue.

CME CARRIES NO DEBT
Then how did CME incur $92 million in interest expenses in 2006?

I understand that "PAYS AND COLLECTS EQUAL ZERO EVERY DAY." But I still don't understand how CME incurred that $92 million in interest expenses. Do you know?

"THE INTEREST THAT YOU SEE IS FROM THE OPERATION OF THE CLEARING HOUSE."

We seem to be closing in on this issue too. Multiplying your estimate ($0.09) of the direct cost of one round turn by your estimate of CME trading volume (1.3 billion round turns) leads to a COGS of about $117 million. That number is remarkably close to the interest expense CME reported in its income statement: $92.10 million.

Is it fair to say the operations of the cleaning house gives economic meaning to assuming interest expense is the COGS? Or is this just a coincidence in the case of CME? In any event, earning interest from margin deposits offsets this number by "around 2 million."

I understand that at CME, and the other exchanges as well, have:

"...DIFFERENT CONTRACTS [THAT] HAVE DIFFERENT COSTS, SO IT IS VERY HARD TO KNOW WHAT THEIR ACTUAL REVENUE PER CONTRACT AND COST PER CONTRACT IS."

So, to get at the true COGS we need the volume weighted-average cost per full turn. I'd be surprised if someone in accounting didn't calculate this number on a monthly basis. Do you know if they do?

~V

jeff

here is a link to an article. this is really the crux of the issue why CME is a better long term play than ICE. For those that do not know who Richard Dennis is, he is a legendary trader in Chicago. There have been several, and Richard Dennis is among the top five.
www.suntimes.com/business/437244,CST-FIN-dennis21.article

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